It has been a while since I debunked a creationist or defended naturalism from creationists intent on misrepresenting science, but an article that was recently sent to me by Nirmukta member Sajith Unni gives me an opportunity to do both. The relevant portion of the article is this:
In Darwin on Trial, Johnson drew out the suspiciously sequestered fact that Darwinism presupposes a naturalistic worldview. Naturalism, as a worldview, says that nature or matter is all there is; the supernatural does not exist or, if it does, is entirely irrelevant to life in the natural realm. Johnson deftly pointed out that naturalism is not a scientifically deduced fact but rather a philosophical presupposition.
The first result of Johnson’s contribution was to expose the atheistic scientists’ philosophical presupposition of naturalism and separate it from their science. Like the lad saying the emperor has no clothes, he identified the philosophy masquerading as science and pointed it out. More far-reaching, though, Johnson gave birth to the scientific movement of intelligent design theory (ID).
The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, and not by an undirected process such as natural selection.
The author of this article deliberately conflates different versions of naturalism, as often do most critics of naturalism in general. A philosopher of science will be aware of these different versions, such as ontological or metaphysical naturalism, epistemological naturalism and scientific naturalism. Opponents of science, even if they know the distinctions between the different types of naturalism, will lump them together when debating scientists. This enables the creationists and the like to argue against a form of naturalism that does not actually apply to the case in question. That is, they use the fact that most people don't know the differences between the distinct forms of naturalism, to create straw men arguments. In the case in question, the author is arguing against metaphysical/ontological naturalism (a hard stance that could in its most extreme form be said to presuppose the idea that nature is all there is), when in fact the relevant form of naturalism in this context is scientific naturalism (also known as methodological naturalism). Let's take the statements individually:
"In Darwin on Trial, Johnson drew out the suspiciously sequestered fact that Darwinism presupposes a naturalistic worldview."
Evolution by natural selection does not presuppose any worldview that is not also presupposed by science. But science does not presuppose any worldview! Science only presupposes certain philosophical rules of logic that are based on the empirical tradition. These are not worldviews, but the foundational principles of science that are subject to revision if the evidence does not fit them. What we discover is that rather than presupposing naturalism, science necessitates a certain naturalistic worldview based solely on the success of the scientific method.
"Naturalism, as a worldview, says that nature or matter is all there is; the supernatural does not exist or, if it does, is entirely irrelevant to life in the natural realm."
Firstly, as mentioned above, the author is talking about metaphysical naturalism here, which is not based on the scientific method and therefore implies that the argument is a straw-man in this context. But let us analyze the statement nevertheless. Nature is not synonymous with matter. The scientific understanding of nature is a lot more complicated than that. To demonstrate the absurdity of the claim made by the author all one needs to do is to point out that scientists believe that the universe contains anti-matter. Scientific naturalism is not the idea that matter is all there is. It is the idea that all we can know about the natural world it is possible to know only through systematic study of the natural world. No one has been able to design a scientific experiment or even make an observation that can determine if there is any supernatural world, or if there is another medium responsible for communication between the natural world and any possible supernatural world. That is, all things in the natural world have natural causes as far as we can tell, and no one has proven otherwise. This is a simple enough concept that anyone except creationists can easily understand.
"Johnson deftly pointed out that naturalism is not a scientifically deduced fact but rather a philosophical presupposition."
So which is it- a fact or a worldview? On this point the author is relying on the lamentable fact that many who believe in the validity of the scientific method are clueless about philosophy. The truth is, there are many philosophical presuppositions that are built into the scientific method, but the naturalistic worldview is not one of them. The naturalistic worldview, unlike the logical presuppositions in science, follows from adopting the methods of science as the most reliable tools we have for understanding reality. I will quote from Tom Clark here:
It’s important to see that naturalism depends on taking science as your way of knowing about the world and what ultimately exists in it. Scientific explanations tend to unify our view of what exists, since once something gets understood scientifically, the connections between it and the rest of what science understands are made clear. This is what science does: to show the pattern of connections between different things. These connections are sometimes literal physical connections, such as how our bodies are put together, and sometimes they are causal connections, such as how the wind causes a sailboat to move. Either way, science inevitably unifies the constituents of the world into a single whole, in which everything is either closely or remotely connected to everything else. It doesn’t and can’t show that there is a separate supernatural realm, or some sort of supernatural stuff that is categorically different from what’s in the physical, natural world. So, science is the basis for naturalism. If you take science as your preferred way of knowing about the world, you’ll be led to naturalism.
"The first result of Johnson’s contribution was to expose the atheistic scientists’ philosophical presupposition of naturalism and separate it from their science."
The past 4 centuries of scientific study have shown us that the observable universe functions in scientifically predictable ways, as observed using the scientific method, which is all the information we need to determine that the naturalistic worldview is accurate. The scientific method is what provides the ultimate logic behind the epistemology of naturalism, which declares that anything that can be known about the natural world must have natural causes. This makes any non-naturalistic worldview a superstitious and faith-based view of the world. The methods of science uniquely determine the philosophy of scientific naturalism. Science does not presuppose naturalism. Quite the contrary, scientific naturalism is an epistemological understanding that is inextricably linked to the scientific method.
"Like the lad saying the emperor has no clothes, he identified the philosophy masquerading as science and pointed it out."
He has not done anything of the sort, as I have indicated in my analysis. Scientific naturalism is intact. If the emperor has no clothes, then science and reason will determine that fact, for sure. If anything, this particular creationist attempt to disprove evolution by attacking scientific naturalism is akin to attempting to prove that the emperor has no clothes by arguing that clothes do not exist.
Now for the creationism part:
"More far-reaching, though, Johnson gave birth to the scientific movement of intelligent design theory (ID).
The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, and not by an undirected process such as natural selection."
ID never was nor ever will be a scientific theory, and not because it violates scientific naturalism. ID is not a scientific theory because it violates scientific methodology. Here are some of the methodological principles of science that it violates:
1. Testability: As mentioned above, there is no scientific test for the supernatural.
2. Predictability: ID makes no future predictions that can be tested.
3. Falsifiability: There is no way to falsify the idea that 'god did it'.
These are the most fundamental requirements for a scientific methodology, and ID satisfies none of them. On the other hand, biological evolution has become the cornerstone of modern biology because of how well it has stood up to analysis using the scientific method. The evidence for evolution is stacked up higher than for any other theory in biology. The fossil record, the genetic analyses, studies of geographic species distribution, experimental evidence and all the mathematical modeling studies, prove beyond a shadow of doubt that biological evolution is one of the most robust theories in modern science.
And contrary to the creationist article's claims, natural selection is anything but "undirected". That is one of the most ignorant notions about evolution that anyone can profess, and it's not to the credit of the ID movement that this is such a common misunderstanding. It's almost as though creationists as a group are unaware of the meaning of the word 'selection'.
And contrary to the creationist article's claims, natural selection is anything but "undirected". That is one of the most ignorant notions about evolution that anyone can profess, and it's not to the credit of the ID movement that this is such a common misunderstanding. It's almost as though creationists as a group are unaware of the meaning of the word 'selection'.
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19 comments:
Well done. The dig at the end wasn't necessary and a bit childish, IMO.
But the article exposes the most consistent tactic used by a variety of special interest within the religious community: misrepresentation. Thank you for pointing out the use of the straw man fallacy by proponents of ID.
Thanks for the comment. I'm not sure what 'dig at the end' you're referring to, since there are at least two in the last couple of paragraphs, but I don't see how either of them are "childish". Literary devices that highlight beating a dead-horse using humor, perhaps.
Someone sent me a link to this. I appreciate you quoting me rather extensively as you comment. Some people react to me as if they haven't even read the article. You haven't done that.
I'm curious: Why did you call me a Creationist?
The period of Lord Ram is believed to be 10 million years ago. Hanuman (Ape-man) also lived during this age. Period of Lord Ram and Hanuman signifies the separation of man and ape man from a common ancestor. Both used to communicate in same language.
Anirudh, your comment is a prime example of how stupid religion is. 10 million years ago there were no humans, and indeed, there were no hominids. All human ancestors lived in Africa till ~200 thousand years ago, although some other hominid groups had made it out of Africa before then. All of this is based on scientific evidence. The story of Ram and Hanuman is just a myth.
Thanks Ajita for your response. But I know at least one such example which shows that humans and dinosaurs co-existed. Scientists are also not able to explain the things correctly. Sometimes they say something and at the other time they some different thing. They only speculate. They are also not able to say what actually happened millions and billions year back. Faith of billions of people can not be said as a myth only.
Very nice post, Ajita! I didn't find any childish digs at all, however.
Evidence of humans & dinosaurs coexisting? Other than the "footprint" that was proven falsified? What "evidence" are you referring to, Anirudh?
Dear Vegan before I give you evidence as promised I would like to give one more view in support of co-existence of humans and dinosaurs. However, I do not agree with the Creationists point of view that the world was formed all at once some 6000-8000 years back only.
Creationist: Humans coexisted with dinosaurs | UAF Sun Star
22 Oct 2010 by webeditor
“Yes, humans coexisted with dinosaurs,” said Guliuzza. “All the creatures were created at the same time, and brought on the ark.” His lectures covered a broad span of topics, including Mount St. Helens, the human reproductive system, ...
UAF Sun Star - http://uafsunstar.com/
Dear Vegan I am committed to give you evidence as promised in support of co-existence of humans and dinosaurs. Meanwhile see what Bible says for this.
Humans & Dinosaurs Coexisted
The Bible clearly teaches that humans and dinosaurs (called "dragons" in the past) were created on the same day. One must engage in hermeneutical back flips to interpret the Bible in any other way on this point.
Anirudh, everyone who knows evolution knows that creationist idiots don't believe it. Their entire reason for saying that humans and dinosaurs walked the earth together is to prove that the earth is 6000 years old and that all animals were created by god at the same time he made humans. This is biblical creationism. The points of view of these people is well known to the scientific community. They are a bunch of kooks. By referring to them as people who support your views you are only further discrediting yourself.
As for your larger point, the idea that a large number of people cannot be wrong is just plain silly. For many thousand years everyone thought the earth was flat. Science is not intuitive, but science works.
Anyway, please do not post anything further unless you have scientific proof that humans and dinosaurs coexisted. Creationist nonsense is not welcome here.
VeganMom
The evidence I promised is given below:
An article of Shri Nand Kishore Kapoor, Punarjanm Shodh Sansthan, Faridabad, India was published in a Sunday Supplement of ‘Aj’ (Hindi News Paper) sometimes during the year 2000. In this article the author writes the past life description by a girl during hypnosis (regression). She told that in her previous life a dinosaur is running after her and she was running away to hide herself in a cave. Based on this I am now writing my comments in Blogs on Biological Evolution that humans and dinosaurs coexisted.
@Anirudh : You are basing your proof on a story written in a Hindi newspaper without any scientific proof whatsoever!
I am just curious to know, If dinosaurs and humans coexisted, what killed the dinosaurs and how did humans escape that?
Anirudh, I completely agree with you. There is ample evidence for past lives and humans living with Dinosaurs. In fact I knew you from one of your past lives. It is that connection that brought me here.
At that time, the past me was the chief of Crappola tribe. The past us were living at about 1000 foot steps from Mt. Shytbulla as the pterodactyl files. Your past self was the animal tracker in a neighboring Nonshenshica tribe. The past me was called Morrano. Your past self was called Kwyjibo. I'll use those names to avoid confusion with our present selves.
You see, while all the tribes were afraid of dinosaurs, Kwyjibo was quite fearless of them. In fact, he had a thing for them. One day, when Morrano was returning from a hunt, he saw Kwyjibo trying to copulate with a barosaurus.
Seeing that human-kind and dinosaur-kind should not mix, Morrano immediately rushed there to separate Kwyjibo and the dinosaur. He even suffered a whiplash from the barosaurus's tail. I sometimes still feel that pain echoing from the past into my dreams.
After that incident Kwyjibo was kept under close guard and was not allowed near dinosaurs. But he then tried to copulate with pigs and hens. Before Morrano knew what punishment was meted out to Kwyjibo, Morrano was gored to death by a rogue meerkat and was reborn as the holy sage Eyediota.
So yes, humans and dinosaurs did indeed live together. But please do be careful around animals. I'm afraid of the past spilling into the present.
Thank you Lije for your very kind affirmation of my views.
Ron you asked me who killed dinosaurs? Dinosaurs met natural death as usual and humans disposed of their bodies as they continue to do it now of their inmates and other animals. No other animal has the ability to dispose of dead bodies of their inmates and others. If humans were not there with dinosaurs the fossils of dinosaurs would have been found in abundance. Humans were also of giant size at that time and they didn't need to escape from any other animals.
Anirudh,
How about reading up on 'critical thinking'/skepticism? If you want to blindly believe the article, we cant help you. Please read and digest an introductory book on evolution (for e.g Why Evolution is True, by Jerry Coyne), and then we can start discussing. The beauty of deep-time (i.e millions and billions of years ago) can be understood only through evolution, geology and astronomy (to an extent). This is time worth investing, and free thinkers come out better aware of reality after that.
You can evaluate Lord Ram and Hanuman yourself after that.
@Anirudh, please do not consider cartoon network programmes - jai hanuman, chotta bheem, flinstones etc as documentaries
Thank you Dear Everyone
I know one such story (imagination/free thinking) of H.G.Wells. About 35 years ago when I was doing my first degree course in science, one of my senior colleague told me a story from Time Machine of H.G.Wells that a day will come when the size of humans would of size of a rat. Now see what has actually happened afterwards. About 2 or 3 years back I saw in news paper that a giant sized rodent fossil had been found. This was almost to elephant or bull size. This confirmed my belief that dinosaurs had not been wiped out. They are still found may be in smaller size, yes of course with some different characteristics. I think Gravitation Force is one of the major cause of genetic mutation. Gravitation Force is continued to increase gradually towards centre and compressing all members of animal kingdom bringing about genetic change with respect to size. A new evolved species or same species with some new characteristics created in due course of time.
thanks for the information you write
I am very interested
I wait for your next writing
‘Humans, dinos lived together’ (Times of India)(October 18,2011)
Beijing: ‘The world’s only evidence of co-existence by humans and dinosaur tracks have been discovered by Chinese and American scientists in a remote county in southwest China, the state media reported on Sunday’.
This evidence supports my views which I am saying for the last two years.
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